What the Triune God Wants

Posted on January 29, 2013 by David Cartledge

What does The Triune God want most of all?  What does He most want for us and with us?  Jesus shows us that the Triune God wants fellowship with us.  He wants to be with us; He wants us to be with him.  He wants us to belong to him: He wants to belong to us.  Furthermore, he has done everything in his Son and Spirit to bring us into fellowship within his circle of love.

Is this really what God wants for us and with us?

Maybe all this doesn’t feel true.  Or maybe it feels too good to be true?

Why might this be so?

What must you now do to actually live in this beautiful reality?

Father, we thank you that our fellowship is with you and with your Son, Jesus Christ.  We know that in this fellowship our joy is complete.  Enable us, by your Spirit, to be at home within this communion of love.

 

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Overflowing Love

Posted on January 22, 2013 by David Cartledge
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When we say “God is love” we must be careful not to project our own image of human love onto God.  In Jesus, God has projected his own image of the love that he is.

When we look at Jesus we see that God is love within his own community of love as Father, Son and Spirit.  In Jesus, we also see the love that God is as he moves towards us to include us within his own fellowship of love.  God loves us and wants fellowship with us.

The love that God is within himself overflows towards us with dynamism, delight and desire. And His love overflows towards us seeking fellowship with us.

  • In view of God’s overflowing love that we see in Jesus do you think it might just be possible for us to live loved-continually?
  • Attentive to God’s overflowing love for fellowship with you how do you now want to respond?
  • What is all this calling you to become?
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Near God

Posted on January 15, 2013 by David Cartledge
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The Triune God of grace has done everything to be near us even though we did not want to be near him.

As you consider all that God has done do you sense any reticence in God to be near us?  Is he hesitant in any way?  Do you see any reluctance in God to draw near to us and to draw us near to him?

What is drawn out of you when you see God’s constant desire to be with us even though we did not want to be with him?

We who were distant from God are now brought near.  And near in a way we could never imagine.  We have access to the Father himself through the Son and in the Spirit.  And in that access we share in the Son’s own knowing of the Father as we cry Abba Father with the Son by the Spirit of God’s Son within.

Is it really true that we have access to the Father or that we would have access if only we tried harder?

Would you say there is now no distance at all between you and God?

What do you now want to say to your Father?

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The Face of God

Posted on January 8, 2013 by David Cartledge

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Too many people live before a faceless deity.  This is the  remote and removed deity who has no face so show us.

Jesus is the Face of God.  In Jesus, God himself came into our own human flesh as one of us.  And as we look at him we see the Face of God.  We don’t paint the face of God onto the faceless deity out of our own darkness. The face of God himself has turned towards us in the human face of Jesus.

Have you ever lived before a faceless deity?

Thomas Torrance writes,

“When we look into the face of Jesus Christ and see there the very face of God, we know we have not seen and cannot see God anywhere else or in another way but in him, for he is God himself become human, and there is no God except the God who has come and meets us in Jesus”.

What stands out for you in those words?

God is not one thing in himself and another thing in Jesus. He has not shown us one face in Jesus but kept his real face hidden from us. How do you react to these words?

How would our life together in community be revolutionised if we came together only to gaze on the Face of God in Jesus?

 

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Trinitarian Mind

Posted on October 7, 2012 by David Cartledge

How then do we develop a Trinitarian mind so that we emerging out of our Trinitarian Faith?

I would suggest that we must continually reflect on God’s Self-Revelation.   God has revealed HIMSELF to us. So we don’t begin by projecting a concept of God as One Divine Essence and say that’s God. How do I now I make One include three. No. We begin with Who God has unveiled himself to be and we continually reflect within his self-revelation. 

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How then do we develop a Trinitarian mind so that we emerging out of our Trinitarian Faith?

I would suggest that we must continually reflect on God’s Self-Revelation.   God has revealed HIMSELF to us. So we don’t begin by projecting a concept of God as One Divine Essence and say that’s God. How do I now I make One include three. No. We begin with Who God has unveiled himself to be and we continually reflect within his self-revelation. 

 

 

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Developing The Trinitarian Mind

Posted on October 7, 2012 by David Cartledge

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How then do we develop a Trinitarian mind so that we emerging out of our Trinitarian Faith?

I would suggest that we must continually reflect on God’s Self-Revelation.   God has revealed HIMSELF to us. So we don’t begin by projecting a concept of God as One Divine Essence and say that’s God. How do I now I make One include three. No. We begin with Who God has unveiled himself to be and we continually reflect within his self-revelation.

 

Let’s see how this works.

 


 

 

So there is a double movement in developing a Trinitarian Mind.  There is the movement of God’s Self-Revelation coming to us and there is the movement of our reflecting on his self-revelation.  As our minds are renewed in the Trinitarian way of thinking the life of Trinity within us emerges within the community of Trinitarian faith.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Triadic Patterns

Posted on September 1, 2012 by David Cartledge

Triadic Patterns

 

In Paul’s writings we see a few Triadic patterns.

 

1 Cor. 12.4-6    4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

 

Eph. 4.4-6.   4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

 

Gal. 4.4-6.    4 But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, 5 to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship.[b] 6 Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, “Abba,[c] Father.”

 

There are many more found in Paul’s writings.

One well known triadic pattern from Paul is the blessing,

Now may the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all (2 Cor. 13.13).

 

 

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Testing

Posted on September 1, 2012 by David Cartledge

Testing the blog

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The Circle of Love

Posted on March 15, 2010 by David Cartledge

Over the last few weeks, we have been in the upper room listening to Jesus talk about “in-ness”. I think that we can say that in the upper room we see the inner-depths of Life in the Trinity.

For the next couple of weeks, we are going to stay in the upper room to consider more of the inner depths of Life in the Trinity.  We are going to listen in on Jesus prayer to the Father in John 17.  In this prayer, we will hear Jesus talking to his Father about “The Circle of Love”.  God is Love and in his son he draws us into a circle of love.

To see something of this circle of love we will follow a diagram.  The circle of love moves in two directions.

We will begin with the outer circle moving anticlockwise.

The Father loves the Son.

24Father, I desire that those also, whom you have given me, may be with me where I am, to see my glory, which you have given me because you loved me before the foundation of the world v24.

The Father loved the Son before the world was made.  If God were just a solitary being there would have been no one to love then and so God could never have been love.  But before God made anything, Father and Son were face to face and the Father was full of love for his own Son.  He was fully satisfied in his love for the Son.

He didn’t have to make someone else to love because he was longing for love.  He did not have to create, but he chose to do so freely out of his own love.

26I made your name known to them, and I will make it known, so that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them v26..’

The Father has always loved his own Son and now he has put the love he has for his Son inside those who are united to his Son.  They know within themselves the reality of the Father’s love for his son because it lives inside them as sons in union with the Son.

The Son loves Believers.

The prayer doesn’t actually say that the Son loves those who believe in him.  However, if we define love as self-giving we see the Son loving those who believe expressed in his self-giving towards them.  The Son speaks to the Father about how those who believe have been given him by the Father.  He goes on to speak about how he gives eternal life to those who have been given to them.  Then he goes on to speak in many ways of his own self-giving towards those given to him.  He gives himself to them to guard them…v12.  He gives himself to them to make the Father known to them…6, 26.  He gives himself to them by consecrating himself so that they may be set apart to God…v19.  And he also gives to us the same glory that the Father has given him.  He tells the Father about all this self-giving as he gives himself fully on our behalf in prayer to the Father.  The Son loves believers within the circle of love.

Believers love the Father.

Again, the prayer does not actually say believers love the Father.  But we hear Jesus say,

6 ‘I have made your name known to those whom you gave me from the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word…v6.

Obeying the Father is the way that we show our love for the Father.

10If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and abide in his love (John 15.10).

Notice that we love the Father as he is revealed to us by the Son.  We have no knowledge of the Father other than what we see in the Face of Jesus.  He is the Father’s Son and so he is the Face of the Father.  As we look at the Son we see the Father as the one who has always loved us, as the one that we always belonged to and as the one who gave us to Jesus.  We come to love this Father and show our love by obeying his commands as we abide in his love.

Now we move around the inner circle clockwise.

The Father loves believers.

23I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me v23.

How much does the Father love us?  Jesus gives us a measure.  The Father loves us even as he loves his own Son.  There is no other measure.  We cannot say well I will try to imagine how much the Father loves me.

I think he loves me so much.  We don’t invent our own measure. Jesus tells us clearly so that we don’t have to guess.  Jesus tells us The Father loves you even as he loves me the beloved Son. cf 16.27.

Believers love the Son.

Again, the prayer does not actually say that we as believers love Jesus. But in verse 8 we hear Jesus say

7Now they know that everything you have given me is from you; 8for the words that you gave to me I have given to them, and they have received them and know in truth that I came from you; and they have believed that you sent me.

.We know from what we Jesus says in other places that this is one of the ways that we show we love him.

27for the Father himself loves you, because you have loved me and have believed that I came from God (16.27).

The Son loves his Father.

In this prayer, we see many ways that the Son showed his love for the Father.

Listen to what he says in v4.

4I glorified you on earth by finishing the work that you gave me to do.

The whole prayer is a pouring out of the Son’s love for his Father just as his whole life is a love offering towards his Father.

This is the circle of love that we are drawn into.  As we look at this circle of love there are two big things that we must highlight.

Within the circle of love, we are co-loved with Father and Son.

Within the circle of love, we are co-lovers with Father and Son

Within the circle of love, we are co-loved with Father and Son.

Notice that I did not say within the circle of love we are loved by Father and Son.  I said more than that.  We are co-loved with Father and Son.  The Father loves the Son and loves us with his Son just as he loves his Son.  The Son loves his Father and loves us with the Father just as he loves his Father.  We do not separate their love for us from their love for one another.  We don’t say they love one another in a unique way and then love us differently.  We are co-loved with them.

This means we are to live loved within the circle of love.  But do we?  We see the truth that we are co-loved with Father and Son.  We could not be more loved.  We are loved as the Father loves the Son and the Son loves the Father.  And yet we do live less loved than we are.

This is not a small matter.  Nothing is more vital than living loved.  If we live less loved than we are we will short circuit our whole experience of being loved and loving within the circle of love. And that is just what we do.  We go around living less loves than we are. We need to see, really see, that we are co-loved with Father and Son so that we could not be more loved.

But how can we?  We hear this truth so much.  We know in some way that we are fully loved and yet still we live less loved.  How can we know this so that we live this?

The answer is found in who is missing from the circle in our diagram, The Spirit.  Why is he missing?  He doesn’t want to be seen.  The Spirit shows his love by becoming anonymous to serve the circle of love.  He doesn’t appear in the circle, but he is there making the circle of love real to us.  You might say that as we look at the circle of love the Spirit is nowhere and everywhere.  He is nowhere in the circle of love because he wants to remain hidden and anonymous.  He is everywhere because he is the one who serves the circle of love enabling the circle of love to be real for us. The flow of love from Father and Son to us becomes a living reality in the Spirit.  The flow of love from us to Father and Son becomes a living reality in the Spirit.

In the upper room, Jesus speaks of “The Spirit of Truth”.  He is the Spirit of truth because he makes truth known to us.  But what is the truth that the Spirit of truth makes known to us?  Is it doctrinal truth?  Is it propositional truth?  Many hear Jesus words, You will know the truth and the truth will set you free” and then stress the need to study the truth of the word in order to be free.  But is that what Jesus meant by the truth?

Jesus said, I am the way and the truth and the life.  Jesus is himself the truth.  So truth is a person.  If you know Jesus, you know the truth.  Furthermore, if you see the Son you also see the Father.  So the truth is Son and Father.  When we see Father and Son they are always in love relationship.  They are always full of delight in one another and serving one another in love.  The truth is the self-giving love of Father and Son in love relationship.  It is the dynamic reality of the life and love that is shared between Father and Son.  Not propositional truth.  The living reality of love relationship between Father and Son. When we see Father and Son in love relationship, we also see the circle of love in which we participate.  That is the truth, the circle of love.

The Spirit of truth makes known the truth to us.  He makes it known to us in such a way that it all becomes real to us.   We cannot see it ourselves.  We cannot grasp it ourselves.  We cannot enter into the reality of it ourselves.  Knowing the truth of our participation within the circle of love must be revealed to us by the Spirit so that it becomes living reality to us.  Then we know that we are loved.  We know because we know and we know because we know.  We have not worked it all out ourselves.  It has simply been given to us as truth by the Spirit of truth.  Then you experience it in a personal way.  It is not just data.  You know yourself within the circle of love fully loved by God. And it is all real. You are loved and you know it.  You know it in the Spirit within the circle of love.  You don’t try to force this.  You simply see the circle of love and let the truth of it all be what it wants to be in the Spirit.

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You in me

Posted on March 7, 2010 by David Cartledge

The Incarnate Son is in the Father.  He lives inside the Father.  That means there is now a real human being within the Triune Communion.  The Divine Son has always been part of the Triune Communion. But in the Incarnation the Divine Son became what he was not before, a real human being.  Now he is within the Triune Communion as a human being.

We are in the incarnate Son.  The Spirit has engrafted us into the Son so that we live inside him.  That means that we too are now part of the Triune Communion.  We don’t just look at the Triune Communion from a distance we participate in the Communion.  We share in the Son’s relationship with the Father.  He is in the Father and we are in the Father in union with the Son.

That means Belong.  We belong within the Triune Communion.  The Triune communion now includes a real human being and we are in that human being.  That means we belong.  And in that belonging we know who we are.  Or is it not better to say that in this belonging we find who we are by knowing Whose we are.  In union with the Son we belong  in the Triune Communion.

Because we belong, the Son is now preparing a dwelling place for us in his Father’s house.

2In my Father’s house there are many dwelling-places. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you?* 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, so that where I am, there you may be also 14.2-3.

The Son is now in the Father’s house or dwelling place.  He is there preparing a place for us so that we can be with him where he is.  More than anything else, he wants us to be with him where he is.  He wants us to be in his home.  His home is in the Father.  He lives inside the Father.  He always dwells within the deep love of his Father.  And he always wants to open his home to us so that we can be home with him in the Father.  That is where we will be forever.

Not only are we in the Son, he is also in us.  We live inside him.  He lives inside us.  He is in us by the Spirit.

These words about Jesus being in us come immediately after a promise of the Spirit.

In v16-17 Jesus promises,

I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate,* to be with you for ever. 17This is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, because he abides with you, and he will be in you.

Jesus says to his friends he (The Spirit) abides with you, and he will be in you.   Then Jesus says immediately,

“I will not leave you as orphans I will come to you.  The Spirit in them means Jesus coming to them.  He will not leave them bereft in the world as orphans; he will come personally to them through the indwelling Spirit. the next but one statement is the one we are looking , “I in you”.

We have already seen in the weeks past that the three persons live inside one another.  That means where the one is the others are too.  So, the Spirit indwelling us is the Son indwelling us.  The Son lives inside the Spirit and the Spirit lives inside the Son.  Where the Spirit is the Son is.  You cannot separate them.  You cannot have one without the other.  The Spirit is the reality of the Son in us.  The Son is not somewhere up there in his Father.  He is not separated from us in the far corners of the universe.  The Son is now within us expressing himself in our humanity.

If the Son is in us by the Spirit so is the Father.  Because of this, Jesus goes on to tell us that he and the Father have come to make their home with us.

‘Those who love me will keep my word, and my Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them. v23

The Spirit indwells us and by his indwelling the Father and Son indwell us.  That means we become the home of Father and Son in the Spirit.  Our sharing in the Triune communion could not be deeper.  They don’t simply include us in their communion they come and make their home in our hearts.  They come to abide with us as their permanent dwelling place.  All three persons live inside one another in a communion of love.  The Son is in the Father.  The Father is in the Son.  The Spirit is in both Father and Son.  And so, through the Spirit’s indwelling, both Son and Father make their home inside us.

Father and Son have made their home with us and we find our home in them.  Within this home, we share in the Son’s love, joy and peace.

As Father and Son make their home with us, we share in the Father’s love for his Son. In his prayer in John 17 Jesus speaks much about the Father’s love for the Son.  The Father has loved the son before the foundation of the world and his love for his Son is full and overflowing.  Towards the end of his prayer the Son says to his Father I want the love with which you have loved me to be in them and I in them.

26I made your name known to them, and I will make it known, so that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.’ John 17.26.

Note what he wants,

“the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.’ .

As Father and Son make their home with us, we share in the Son’s joy

13But now I am coming to you, and I speak these things in the world so that they may have my joy made complete in themselves 17.13.

Notice that Jesus speaks about my joy in them.  In love relationship with the Father, the Son has great joy.

It is the joy of the Father’s home.To be at home with the Father in love relationship is to be full of joy in the Father’s love.A joy that surpasses all other joys.  As Father and Son make their home with us, we enter into the joy of their home. The joy that The Son has in love relationship with his Father is in us as he is in us.

As Father and Son make their home with us, we share in his peace.  Home is supposed to be a place of peace.

While outside the home all may be broken and chaotic, within the home there is perfect shalom.  In many human homes, this peace is not enjoyed, but in the Father and Son’s home there is perfect peace.  As they make their home with us we experience this peace that surpasses all understanding.

Jesus speaks of this in 14.27

27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled, and do not let them be afraid.

Note he says my peace, not just peace, but my peace.  The peace that I have at home with my Father in you.

The Son enjoys love, joy and peace at home within his own relationship with his Father.  And as he and his Father make their home with us  we know his love, his joy and his peace.  We share in his love relationship with the Father because we are in him and he is in us.  He is our home and we are his home.

All this anticipates the final consummation of our experience of God.  As the vision of the New heaven and new earth opens up a loud voice from the throne says,

3And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying,
‘See, the home of God is among mortals.
He will dwell with them;
they will be his peoples,
and God himself will be with them;
4he will wipe every tear from their eyes (Revelation 21.3-4).

That is the hope before us, God making his home among us in the new earth. Meanwhile the same Triune God makes his home with us. And as they make their home with us we find our home in them.

What does this mean for us in our daily living?

Last time we saw that it means Belonging.  And within that belonging we find who we are by knowing Whose we are.  When we hear that in the Spirit, Father and Son have made their home with us we see our belonging even more fully.  We belong in them so fully that Jesus prepares a home for us with the Father.  Furthermore, we belong in them so fully that they have made their home with us.  We really do see now Whose we are.  We belong to Father and Son and they belong to us.They make their home with us and we find our home in them.

We also saw that belonging means Becoming. We belong to the Triune Communion and now we are called to Become who we are by living out our personal communion.  As we hear Jesus say he is in us and through his indwelling, he and the Father have made their home with us we see that becoming is not down to you and I with all our individual effort.

Too often, we attempt to live as individuals trying to make it with an individual God up there.  You are standing on your own as an individual.  You are left to get to know God better by your own efforts.  You are left to relate to God and to reflect God in the world by your own individual disciplines.   You are left thinking that any good thing arising within you comes from yourself and must be nurtured by yourself.    All this becomes very debilitating as you live under the illusion that you must produce all things in and of yourself under your own steam.  You stand on your own before the solitary God who frowns on you in disappointment over your ongoing poor performance.

We must rather see that that the Son is in us.  And he is in us to live out his own love relationship with his Father in and through us.  He is living out his relationship with his Father within us.

What is our part?  We simply respond to his activity within us.  As we do so, we become who we really are, those who belong to the Triune Communion and who are now becoming who they are in daily experience.

Jesus wants us to see that we are all in one another.  The Son is in the Father.  We are in the Son.  The Son is in us, which also means that both he and the Father are making their home with us.  This also means that we are in one another as God’s community.

Listen to Jesus speaking to his Father,

20 ‘I ask not only on behalf of these, but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one. As you, Father, are in me and I am in you, may they also be in us,* so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22The glory that you have given me I have given them, so that they may be one, as we are one,23I in them and you in me, that they may become completely one, so that the world may know that you have sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me (John 17.20-23).

We are all in one another.

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